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		<title>By: Mara</title>
		<link>http://wouldashoulda.com/2007/05/29/by-any-other-name-still-the-same/#comment-89537</link>
		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARGGH, stupid people drive me nuts.  That lady clearly didn&#039;t know anything about setting up business accounts, as almost all DBA accounts ARE IN A DIFFERENT NAME than the person&#039;s legal name.  The whole point, right? Sally Jones, DOING BUSINESS AS Sally&#039;s Attic, or whatever?  Anyways.  

1.  Some people DO have DBA&#039;s set up in their legal name.  Being just a lowly bank teller, I have no idea what the point of that is-- I asked one guy (with that setup) and he looked at me as though I were an idiot and said, &quot;For tax reasons.&quot; Whatever. 

2.  The Patriot Act does indeed control every aspect of business banking.  From what I understand, it goes something like this: most money laundering is done through false business accounts and a lot of it benefits terrorists and other BAD PEOPLE like drug lords, etc.  To prevent false business accounts from being opened up, any account opened for a business requires proof of that business: the incorporation papers or whatever.  Unfortunately that means that for every one BAD account *not* opened, hundreds of innoccent business owners are hassled.  That woman was right only when she finally realized that no, she couldn&#039;t open the account without the DBA certification.  At least, not if she worked for BofA where they are really really really anal about THE LAW.  

3. I can&#039;t figure out half of the clever hints people use about their bank names-- which is why I came out and said where I work.  I get &quot;sounds like Cells Largo&quot;, but what kinda-rhymes with Dumbass?  And what starts with S and thinks they&#039;re an empire?  Please, enlighten the un-clever! 

4. The company I work for does many annoying things, like giving me an 8-cents-an-hour raise.  But it does not give bank accounts to illegal aliens--just legal ones. There was a big hubbub a few months back when they rolled out this LA-centered trial program about helping their Hispanic customer base build credit, but it was never about opening accounts (or credit cards) for illegals, just for people with bad or no credit.  Fact-check, anyone?  The main reason banks do so many frustrating, annoying things is that they are terrified about breaking these federal laws, like the Patriot Act-- they are hardly likely to start opening accounts willy-nilly for illegal immigrants when poor Mir can&#039;t even get her DBA opened up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARGGH, stupid people drive me nuts.  That lady clearly didn&#8217;t know anything about setting up business accounts, as almost all DBA accounts ARE IN A DIFFERENT NAME than the person&#8217;s legal name.  The whole point, right? Sally Jones, DOING BUSINESS AS Sally&#8217;s Attic, or whatever?  Anyways.  </p>
<p>1.  Some people DO have DBA&#8217;s set up in their legal name.  Being just a lowly bank teller, I have no idea what the point of that is&#8211; I asked one guy (with that setup) and he looked at me as though I were an idiot and said, &#8220;For tax reasons.&#8221; Whatever. </p>
<p>2.  The Patriot Act does indeed control every aspect of business banking.  From what I understand, it goes something like this: most money laundering is done through false business accounts and a lot of it benefits terrorists and other BAD PEOPLE like drug lords, etc.  To prevent false business accounts from being opened up, any account opened for a business requires proof of that business: the incorporation papers or whatever.  Unfortunately that means that for every one BAD account *not* opened, hundreds of innoccent business owners are hassled.  That woman was right only when she finally realized that no, she couldn&#8217;t open the account without the DBA certification.  At least, not if she worked for BofA where they are really really really anal about THE LAW.  </p>
<p>3. I can&#8217;t figure out half of the clever hints people use about their bank names&#8211; which is why I came out and said where I work.  I get &#8220;sounds like Cells Largo&#8221;, but what kinda-rhymes with Dumbass?  And what starts with S and thinks they&#8217;re an empire?  Please, enlighten the un-clever! </p>
<p>4. The company I work for does many annoying things, like giving me an 8-cents-an-hour raise.  But it does not give bank accounts to illegal aliens&#8211;just legal ones. There was a big hubbub a few months back when they rolled out this LA-centered trial program about helping their Hispanic customer base build credit, but it was never about opening accounts (or credit cards) for illegals, just for people with bad or no credit.  Fact-check, anyone?  The main reason banks do so many frustrating, annoying things is that they are terrified about breaking these federal laws, like the Patriot Act&#8211; they are hardly likely to start opening accounts willy-nilly for illegal immigrants when poor Mir can&#8217;t even get her DBA opened up!</p>
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		<title>By: dana</title>
		<link>http://wouldashoulda.com/2007/05/29/by-any-other-name-still-the-same/#comment-89469</link>
		<dc:creator>dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golly.  This makes me laugh.  My father was a self-employed tavern owner and he had a DBA for his business name. I don&#039;t think he ever had any trouble with not-so-bright bank people like that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golly.  This makes me laugh.  My father was a self-employed tavern owner and he had a DBA for his business name. I don&#8217;t think he ever had any trouble with not-so-bright bank people like that!</p>
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		<title>By: JayMonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others, I have gone through similar issues, but unlike the HIPAA example given above, the Patriot Act DOES have new regulations for money and banking.

While of course I do not know how things work in New England, I do know that here in NJ, you would not have gotten the account unless you had a DBA form notarized and submitted to the county.

To avoid that I actually incorporated in DE (easier laws for registering a corporation) and got a separate Tax ID.  Sounds like more work up front (and it might be), but it has saved me a number of times dealing with corporate idiots such as you encountered.  

Of course, being the technologist and stupid people hater I am, I would never deal with a bank that didn&#039;t let me create new accounts online without having to talk to some numbskull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others, I have gone through similar issues, but unlike the HIPAA example given above, the Patriot Act DOES have new regulations for money and banking.</p>
<p>While of course I do not know how things work in New England, I do know that here in NJ, you would not have gotten the account unless you had a DBA form notarized and submitted to the county.</p>
<p>To avoid that I actually incorporated in DE (easier laws for registering a corporation) and got a separate Tax ID.  Sounds like more work up front (and it might be), but it has saved me a number of times dealing with corporate idiots such as you encountered.  </p>
<p>Of course, being the technologist and stupid people hater I am, I would never deal with a bank that didn&#8217;t let me create new accounts online without having to talk to some numbskull.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 23:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate big businesses, small local places almost always seem to serve you so much better.  And the people get to know you and are nice.  Why is it that even at a big, nationwide place where they see you every day they still don&#039;t know you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate big businesses, small local places almost always seem to serve you so much better.  And the people get to know you and are nice.  Why is it that even at a big, nationwide place where they see you every day they still don&#8217;t know you?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 20:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I went from Melissa Divorcedname to Melissa Marriedname I had to also relocate from Arizona to Massachusetts which meant changing my license at the same time. Ugh. Trying to explain that my birth certificate, divorce decree and marriage certificate were all legit tried my patience and took for ever! It also explains why my license photo looks like Nick Nolte&#039;s mug shot. Not pretty. Good luck!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I went from Melissa Divorcedname to Melissa Marriedname I had to also relocate from Arizona to Massachusetts which meant changing my license at the same time. Ugh. Trying to explain that my birth certificate, divorce decree and marriage certificate were all legit tried my patience and took for ever! It also explains why my license photo looks like Nick Nolte&#8217;s mug shot. Not pretty. Good luck!!</p>
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		<title>By: Judy.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 19:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news! In Georgia, business names do not have to be registered, unless they are incorporated. We have a DBA and it was just a matter of telling them at the bank that&#039;s how we wanted to do it. Of course, we&#039;re not with a huge national bank, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news! In Georgia, business names do not have to be registered, unless they are incorporated. We have a DBA and it was just a matter of telling them at the bank that&#8217;s how we wanted to do it. Of course, we&#8217;re not with a huge national bank, either.</p>
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		<title>By: JamieLee</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamieLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy. I hate that kind of stuff. Mostly because when I do it, I always get that furtive/guilty look on my face. I live in fear that I&#039;m going to ask them to do something that is clearly illegal, against banking rules, or just plain dumb. I spend the entire appointment waiting for some official looking person to come out and take me into custody. 
Glad you survived the ordeal. Hurdle number one cleared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy. I hate that kind of stuff. Mostly because when I do it, I always get that furtive/guilty look on my face. I live in fear that I&#8217;m going to ask them to do something that is clearly illegal, against banking rules, or just plain dumb. I spend the entire appointment waiting for some official looking person to come out and take me into custody.<br />
Glad you survived the ordeal. Hurdle number one cleared.</p>
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		<title>By: becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) that is why i use a local credit union. i can&#039;t stand the big national banks. and when we move back home, i will go to the local bank, the one where i had my very first savings account, and where everyone knows you.

2) that is also why i didn&#039;t change my name when i got remarried. i didn&#039;t want the hassle of changing over all of my accounts, ssn, dl, passport, etc. i might eventually hyphenate it, but i doubt it. it&#039;s cool that you want to be known as mrs. otto. i didn&#039;t want to do it because i also use my maiden name professionally, and hubby&#039;s name is harder to spell and pronounce. plus, he didn&#039;t care if i did or not. my family doesn&#039;t understand it though. heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) that is why i use a local credit union. i can&#8217;t stand the big national banks. and when we move back home, i will go to the local bank, the one where i had my very first savings account, and where everyone knows you.</p>
<p>2) that is also why i didn&#8217;t change my name when i got remarried. i didn&#8217;t want the hassle of changing over all of my accounts, ssn, dl, passport, etc. i might eventually hyphenate it, but i doubt it. it&#8217;s cool that you want to be known as mrs. otto. i didn&#8217;t want to do it because i also use my maiden name professionally, and hubby&#8217;s name is harder to spell and pronounce. plus, he didn&#8217;t care if i did or not. my family doesn&#8217;t understand it though. heh.</p>
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		<title>By: ishouldbeworking</title>
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		<dc:creator>ishouldbeworking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FirstMarriedName DBA FamilyName changing to SecondMarriedName + banking business bureaucracy + Patriot Act BS = my head spinning!

If/when I get to the point of needing to change from FirstMarriedName to SecondMarriedName I hope my credit union doesn&#039;t put me through all of that. Of course there are several bridges to cross before I get to that point ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FirstMarriedName DBA FamilyName changing to SecondMarriedName + banking business bureaucracy + Patriot Act BS = my head spinning!</p>
<p>If/when I get to the point of needing to change from FirstMarriedName to SecondMarriedName I hope my credit union doesn&#8217;t put me through all of that. Of course there are several bridges to cross before I get to that point ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Florinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Florinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 17:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, I feel for you. I (re)married six months ago and just got through all the name-change malarkey. I&#039;m keeping my old name professionally because I&#039;ve had it for over 20 years, even though I no longer have the husband it came with. I&#039;ve got a combination last name - old and new, no hyphen - legally, since professional name is also son&#039;s name and want to retain it for that reason. Personally I&#039;ll answer to either last name, but the new husband is happier when I use the one I got from him :-). 

Regarding the DBA thing, some states do require that name to be legally registered as well; my employer in California has to register theirs, since the legal corporate name is different. Your new, big bank are probably sticklers. Bureaucracy sucks... But as someone&#039;s suggested already, maybe you can move these accounts to a smaller local bank once you relocate and get established - think of the pleasure you&#039;ll have closing them out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, I feel for you. I (re)married six months ago and just got through all the name-change malarkey. I&#8217;m keeping my old name professionally because I&#8217;ve had it for over 20 years, even though I no longer have the husband it came with. I&#8217;ve got a combination last name &#8211; old and new, no hyphen &#8211; legally, since professional name is also son&#8217;s name and want to retain it for that reason. Personally I&#8217;ll answer to either last name, but the new husband is happier when I use the one I got from him :-). </p>
<p>Regarding the DBA thing, some states do require that name to be legally registered as well; my employer in California has to register theirs, since the legal corporate name is different. Your new, big bank are probably sticklers. Bureaucracy sucks&#8230; But as someone&#8217;s suggested already, maybe you can move these accounts to a smaller local bank once you relocate and get established &#8211; think of the pleasure you&#8217;ll have closing them out!</p>
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